Game Ideas
 
admin
14/09/2023 at 06:49
Atlético Clube Goianiense    
Currently there are only 55 players who own clubs, and some of these are likely to have signed up started and then left again. The actual number of active players is probably closer to 30 to 40. So, I need to look at ways at changing the game to attract and retain more players. If anyone has any ideas, put them in this thread. Particularly interested to hear what difficulties brand new players face in getting to grips with the game and focussing on those areas.
Zapper
14/09/2023 at 21:14
RC Mechelen   Racing Club de France   FC Carl Zeiss Jena
I'll think you have to be patient. from 10 new users there is only one that stay for a longer time. But it will grow, I amsure of it! Perhaps making a facebook page and post there every they a message or the result or something. The users here can part that on there own page....
longsands
15/09/2023 at 12:15
Batman Petrolspor   Darlington   FC Schweinfurt 05
My guess is a lot of the new players who don't give it a proper chance probably stumble on it wanting something quick to play in their browser, they'll sign up and realise it's more of a long term game, and they'll have to read the guides etc, and that there's a limit to what they can do immediately, and then forget about it. Doubt there's much that can be done about that, just the nature of niche games. Having said that I've been thinking the game could be more forgiving for new players - £10m starting funds felt like plenty when I started playing, but maybe that could to be adjusted slightly to help keep up with inflation* along with a little bonus payment for other bottom flight teams so that teams signing up tomorrow don't have an advantage over teams that signed up yesterday. Too many new players now are spending a dangerously high percentage of their starting capital on buying their first club without being able to realise the risks until it's too late - when that happens it's only the really keen new players who would stick around and try again. I think it'd be a good idea for them to be given a bit extra to start out with, but also have the game put a limit on what % of the starting capital a new account is able to spend on that first club purchase, effectively forcing them to keep a bit of money in the bank as safety net, so they can afford to leak money for at least a season or two while they figure out the game, wait to offload bad players on high wages etc. *I bought Darlington for about 2.5m when they were in National League North - currently no team in that division has a club value under 10m I think it's also quite common for new players to buy a club and not really be able to do a great deal for about least 6 months, and could still be leaking money in the process. I think new players wouldn't mind starting at the bottom challenging as long as they're able to be proactive when they first join. What I suggested above (a cap on what % of starting capital they're able to spend on their first club) could make sure they'll have a bit of money left over to be able to make some decisions with e.g. sack the manager, pay off some contracts if they're at the squad limit. Just looking now at the Isthmian League, there are 8 human teams in it which is pretty healthy - I don't remember seeing that many in that division before. But nearly all seem to be struggling, which adds to my feeling that it's a lot tougher down there for newbies than it used to be. When there were just a few of us, we wanted the game to make the lowest divisions more difficult for us if anything, but now the learning curve combined with the low margin for error financially in the lower leagues, it's pretty punishing for newbies - maybe it could be good to make the bottom flight a little easier while they make sense of the game, and let the real difficulty level be set by the human players they're competing with.
admin
15/09/2023 at 12:39
Atlético Clube Goianiense    
good points Longsands. I've noticed one of the main issues is inheriting a squad full of poor players who you can't get rid of. So maybe I could put something in to allow free contract terminations within 6 months of buying a low class club, as well as increasing the starting capital edited by admin on 15/09/2023
admin
19/09/2023 at 12:30
Atlético Clube Goianiense    
I have changed the starting capital to 20 million now and made player release free if you have bought the club in the last 6 months
sjw1989
21/09/2023 at 22:15
Barnet    
Would it be possible to include more detail around the stadium. As in you could increase corporate, increase the price and quality of commerce, improve the style of advertisement hoarding etc etc Could also do the same for the training ground, break down into different areas that could be improved separately from each other.
admin
21/09/2023 at 22:25
Atlético Clube Goianiense    

sjw1989 said
Would it be possible to include more detail around the stadium. As in you could increase corporate, increase the price and quality of commerce, improve the style of advertisement hoarding etc etc Could also do the same for the training ground, break down into different areas that could be improved separately from each other.

yeah, certainly something to look at.
Justin H
25/09/2023 at 03:11
   
I think the team lineup selection could use improvement. I'd like to be able to have my manager use the formations I want and automatically balance playing time between my players so that there are no fitness issues nor playing time complaints from my players. It is too tedious for me to use created lineups and switch the players out. Even more so if I owned three clubs. I also think that scouting is a tedious and complex process that should be simplified. Basically, the game needs to be made more user friendly to retain more users. As for an added feature that could be cool, maybe there could be scenarios that cause positive or negative impacts to your club. Some of these scenarios could require you to make a choice, such as "I want my manager to say ___ at the pre match press conference" OR "As the owner, I offer profit sharing to my players for the current season".
Mr.Tom
27/09/2023 at 18:17
   
Hey, just read what longsands has written, and it’s pretty close. When I started there was only one team in the lowest division in England that I could afford without spending all of my starting money. It took me two seasons to have three players that would sell, and nobody so far who loans out. I’m looking at others and thinking what the heck do I need to do to get better? All advice I’ve found doesn’t work. This isn’t complaining, sorry if it sounds that way. I have no real problems with the game, and I’m patient enough to take my time building my club. I’m only voicing my opinion on what might turn others away. Most people want instant gratification, and games like these don’t offer that. It’s not for everyone, but it can be underwhelming for most in the beginning.
Zapper
28/09/2023 at 10:59
RC Mechelen   Racing Club de France   FC Carl Zeiss Jena
I think the teams whitout a manager must go down on value (and offcorse the trainingfacility and youth centre must also going down). Otherwise there will be now cheep teams in the future. And giving the new managers more money to start will solve the problem for a few seasons... If all the teams without a manager remains at there point now, then, in the future, all the teams will have a world class trainings*- and youth team centre. For example: every full season that a tam is playing whitout a manager, the training- and youth centre will drop 1 point. And then tey won't have so good youthplayers anymore and will drop automaticly in value.... I hope you understand because my Englisch isn't that good...
Simon Templar
28/09/2023 at 12:18
Buxton FC   Caldas SC   SSC Napoli

Justin H said
I think the team lineup selection could use improvement. I'd like to be able to have my manager use the formations I want and automatically balance playing time between my players so that there are no fitness issues nor playing time complaints from my players. It is too tedious for me to use created lineups and switch the players out. Even more so if I owned three clubs. I also think that scouting is a tedious and complex process that should be simplified. Basically, the game needs to be made more user friendly to retain more users. As for an added feature that could be cool, maybe there could be scenarios that cause positive or negative impacts to your club. Some of these scenarios could require you to make a choice, such as "I want my manager to say ___ at the pre match press conference" OR "As the owner, I offer profit sharing to my players for the current season".

The trouble is, the more you automate the functionality (for instance, your idea of having the manager rotate players for you), the more you reduce gameplay for those who do want to put the time in. Also, that is part of the challenge - owners making choices is one of the variables, the more we water that down, the more it risks become one auto-manager playing another and all the results become normalised. We might create new issues with player retention if the game goes down that route. While it is challenging, it remains engaging. If we can simply set it to auto it will risk becoming boring, with more limited gameplay, and we will lose other players.
Simon Templar
28/09/2023 at 12:20
Buxton FC   Caldas SC   SSC Napoli

Zapper said
I think the teams whitout a manager must go down on value (and offcorse the trainingfacility and youth centre must also going down). Otherwise there will be now cheep teams in the future. And giving the new managers more money to start will solve the problem for a few seasons... If all the teams without a manager remains at there point now, then, in the future, all the teams will have a world class trainings*- and youth team centre. For example: every full season that a tam is playing whitout a manager, the training- and youth centre will drop 1 point. And then tey won't have so good youthplayers anymore and will drop automaticly in value.... I hope you understand because my Englisch isn't that good...

I think you mean owners/players rather than managers? I know what you're saying, but personally my most enjoyable period in the game was building up a squad slowly at the beginning. If we increase budget for new players then it might become unrealistically easy to sign good players even in the lower, regional leagues, which takes away a lot of the challenge. I used my youth academy and older players out of contract to assemble a cheap side early on. Very satisfying achieving promotion with a largely youth academy side!
admin
28/09/2023 at 14:26
Atlético Clube Goianiense    
just done a little upgrade of the How To Play screen to introduce a Search box (like in eBoxing). Might help a bit when new players have no idea which guide to look at
Zapper
28/09/2023 at 15:33
RC Mechelen   Racing Club de France   FC Carl Zeiss Jena
To Simon: Yes, I meant owners! The reduce of value must go slowly! Not at once! When that won't happen, then al the teams will be more then 10 mil in a few seasons and more than 20 mil in 10 deasons and so on. And the way I am building my teams is exactely like you have done! It is the most plesent way! edited by Zapper on 28/09/2023
Simon Templar
29/09/2023 at 14:14
Buxton FC   Caldas SC   SSC Napoli

Zapper said
To Simon: Yes, I meant owners! The reduce of value must go slowly! Not at once! When that won't happen, then al the teams will be more then 10 mil in a few seasons and more than 20 mil in 10 deasons and so on. And the way I am building my teams is exactely like you have done! It is the most plesent way! edited by Zapper on 28/09/2023

I still think the budget is fine as is - I took Bahlinger from weakest side in Germany to only losing the Bundesliga title on goal difference, so it can be done. But cool that we all have different views.
fewshmigs
29/09/2023 at 14:32
   
I get where you're coming from Simon, but club values have increased a fair bit since you bought Bahlinger, or I bought Aachen and South Shields. For example, the game says you bought Buxton for 2ish million, now there are only 5 clubs in all of England that you can buy for less than 5, and none of them are below 3.5 million. I agree that giving new managers 20 million to start with doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but something needs to be adjusted to give new managers more options for clubs to start out with and help with the expenses of starting out.
admin
29/09/2023 at 16:32
Atlético Clube Goianiense    
the 20 million is just a stop-gap measure. really i need to analyse the club valuations and work out why exactly teams are so much more expensive to buy. i'm guessing a lot will have signed the excess of youth players which were being generated and so have players who are better than those who will have been around the lower divisions when the game started. any solution is not going to be overnight. i still want to look at the kind of players being generated and try to achieve some kind of better balance (bloody difficult!). On the plus side, the seasons pass by quickly so if i do manage to get the balance right it will be a matter of real life months before it reflects on the game world.
Simon Templar
02/10/2023 at 09:51
Buxton FC   Caldas SC   SSC Napoli

fewshmigs said
I get where you're coming from Simon, but club values have increased a fair bit since you bought Bahlinger, or I bought Aachen and South Shields. For example, the game says you bought Buxton for 2ish million, now there are only 5 clubs in all of England that you can buy for less than 5, and none of them are below 3.5 million. I agree that giving new managers 20 million to start with doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but something needs to be adjusted to give new managers more options for clubs to start out with and help with the expenses of starting out.

I think that initial purchase cost and ongoing running costs are two separate issues and should be broken out. I don't agree that running costs need changing (easy games become boring games), but I take your point on initial purchase cost. I would not hold Buxton up as any example, though - they're rubbish and have been for years! But yes entry clubs are too expensive to buy, imho.
Loko Rodrigues
13/10/2023 at 02:12
   
Edited on 13/10/2023 02:13:23

-You can change the layout to a lighter color that is less tiring to the eyes, or give the option to choose.
- You could create a better tutorial.
Forfum
12/05/2024 at 19:59
Deveronvale FC   RRC Hamoir   Morpeth Town
Hi, I am brand new in this game but I know I will stay here for long time. The game is wonderful, specific, pretty different than other online sports managing games. I love it.
thank you for the game :)
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